Poll: More Americans Blame Republicans for Fiscal Cliff Impasse


A new poll from CNN/ORC shows that President Obama remains Teflon despite the fact that he designed the upcoming fiscal cliff to speculation. Even though Obama insisted on massive defense cuts and huge tax increases as the two alternative parts of the fiscal cliff, the American public will apparently blame Republicans if the fiscal cliff isn’t stopped. A full 45% of respondents said they would blame Congressional Republicans – even though the Democrats control the Senate – while just 34% would blame President Obama.

The public, by and large, sees Republicans as obstructionist. That’s due to a combination of messaging failure on the part of the GOP — nothing new, in that they seem incapable of explaining the simple fact that low tax rates, particularly on job creators, spur economic growth and thereby raise tax revenues — and a media concerned only with saving its flailing president. The Republicans’ mixed messaging on the fiscal cliff has been astounding to watch. They signed off on the sequester, which put a fiscal gun to their heads, forcing them to choose between raising taxes partially or watching tax rates skyrocket and defense get slashed. Then they turned around and complained about the gun being put to their heads. Now, they’re standing for the principle that we need more tax revenue, but it can’t be raised by raising rates. No wonder the public is confused.







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218 comments on “Poll: More Americans Blame Republicans for Fiscal Cliff Impasse
  1. Why wouldn’t they with the bias in the main stream media playing to them every single day.

    • tlc1532 says:

      The communist media will be the death of this country. They are marxists just like the dear leader and support the disaster that is coming.

      • dshevlin says:

        I think they have been chipped already. Short time ago I was noticing some media people ( woman ) with arm bands and then a few days later it was gone. Like a color bandage to look stylish for tv. Made this connection when I got the information on the chip requirement in the bocare law. It may be helping to mash their brains. Anyone remember the X-Files? Logan’s Run? Computer chip implants? What the…..? See what happens when NO one reads the dam bills. Starts with the kiddies. Get your kids home asap!

    • oldcoyote says:

      Right On. Here’s who owns the MSM,

      MORTIMER ZUCKERMAN, owner of NY Daily News, US News & World Report.

      LESLIE MOONVES, president of CBS television, great-nephew of David
      Ben-Gurion.

      JONATHAN MILLER, chair and CEO of AOL division of AOL-Time-Warner

      NEIL SHAPIRO, president of NBC News

      JEFF GASPIN, Executive Vice-President, Programming, NBC

      DAVID WESTIN, president of ABC News

      SUMNER REDSTONE, CEO of Viacom, “world’s biggest media giant”

      MICHAEL EISNER, major owner of Walt Disney, Capitol Cities, ABC.

      RUPERT MURDOCH, Owner Fox TV, New York Post, London Times, News of the World
      (Jewish mother)

      MEL KARMAZIN, president of CBS

      DON HEWITT, Exec. Director, 60 Minutes, CBS

      JEFF FAGER, Exec. Director, 60 Minutes II. CBS

      DAVID POLTRACK, Executive Vice-President, Research and Planning, CBS

      SANDY KRUSHOW, Chair, Fox Entertainment

      LLOYD BRAUN, Chair, ABC Entertainment

      BARRY MEYER, chair, Warner Bros.

      SHERRY LANSING. President and Chairman of Paramount Pictures’ Motion Picture
      Group.

      HARVEY WEINSTEIN, CEO. Miramax Films.

      BRAD SIEGEL., President, Turner Entertainment.

      PETER CHERNIN, second in-command at Rupert Murdoch’s News. Corp., owner of
      Fox TV

      MARTY PERETZ, owner and publisher of the New Republic, which openly
      identifies itself as pro-Israel.

      ARTHUR O. SULZBERGER, JR., publisher of the NY Times, the Boston Globe and
      other publications.

      WILLIAM SAFIRE, syndicated columnist for the NYT.

      TOM FRIEDMAN, syndicated columnist for the NYT.

      CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER, syndicated columnist for the Washington Post.

      RICHARD COHEN, syndicated columnist for the Washington Post

      JEFF JACOBY, syndicated columnist for the Boston Globe

      NORMAN ORNSTEIN, American Enterprise Inst., regular columnist for USA
      Today.

      ARIE FLEISCHER, Bush’s press secretary.

      STEPHEN EMERSON, an expert on domestic terrorism.

      DAVID SCHNEIDERMAN, owner of the Village Voice and the New Times network of
      “alternative weeklies.”

      DENNIS LEIBOWITZ, head of Act II Partners.

      KENNETH POLLACK, writes op-eds in NY Times, New Yorker

      BARRY DILLER, chair of USA Interactive, former owner of Universal
      Entertainment

      KENNETH ROTH, Executive Director of Human Rights Watch

      RICHARD LEIBNER, which represents 600 news personalities such as Dan Rather,
      Dianne Sawyer and Bill O’Reilly.

      TERRY SEMEL, CEO, Yahoo, former chair, Warner Bros.

      MARK GOLIN, VP and Creative Director, AOL

      WARREN LIEBERFORD, Pres., Warner Bros. Home Video Div. of AOL- TimeWarner

      JEFFREY ZUCKER, President of NBC Entertainment

      JACK MYERS, NBC, chief.NYT 5.14.2

      SANDY GRUSHOW, chair of Fox Entertainment

      GAIL BERMAN, president of Fox Entertainment

      STEPHEN SPIELBERG, co-owner of Dreamworks

      JEFFREY KATZENBERG, co-owner of Dreamworks

      DAVID GEFFEN, co-owner of Dreamworks

      LLYOD BRAUN, chair of ABC Entertainment

      JORDAN LEVIN, president of Warner Bros. Entertainment

      MAX MUTCHNICK, co-executive producer of NBC’s “Good Morning Miami”

      DAVID KOHAN, co-executive producer of NBC’s “Good Morning Miami”

      HOWARD STRINGER, chief of Sony Corp. of America

      AMY PASCAL, chair of Columbia Pictures

      JOEL KLEIN, chair and CEO of Bertelsmann’s American operations

      ROBERT SILLERMAN, founder of Clear Channel Communications

      BRIAN GRADEN, president of MTV entertainment

      IVAN SEIDENBERG, CEO of Verizon Communications

      WOLF BLITZER, host of CNN’s Late Edition

      LARRY KING, host of Larry King Live

      TED KOPPEL, host of ABC’s Nightline

      ANDREA KOPPEL, CNN Reporter

      PAULA ZAHN, CNN Host

      MIKE WALLACE, Host of CBS, 60 Minutes

      BARBARA WALTERS, Host, ABC’s 20-20

      MICHAEL LEDEEN, editor of National Review

      BRUCE NUSSBAUM, editorial page editor, Business Week

      DONALD GRAHAM, Chair and CEO of Newsweek and Washington Post.

      HOWARD FINEMAN, Chief Political Columnist, Newsweek

      WILLIAM KRISTOL, Editor, Weekly Standard, Exec. Director
      Project for a New
      American Century (PNAC)

      RON ROSENTHAL, Managing Editor, San Francisco Chronicle

      RON OWENS, Talk Show Host, KGO (ABC-Capitol Cities, San Francisco)

      JOHN ROTHMAN, Talk Show Host, KGO (ABC-Capitol Cities, San Francisco)

      MICHAEL MEDVED, Talk Show Host, on 124 AM stations

      DENNIS PRAGER, Talk Show Host, nationally syndicated from LA. Has Israeli
      flag on his home page.

      BEN WATTENBERG, Moderator, PBS Think Tank.

      ANDREW LACK, president of NBC

      DANIEL MENAKER, Executive Director, Harper Collins

      DAVID REMNICK, Editor, The New Yorker

      NICHOLAS LEHMANN, writer, the New York

      HENRICK HERTZBERG, Talk of the Town editor, The New Yorker

      SAMUEL NEWHOUSE JR, and DONALD NEWHOUSE own Newhouse Publications, includes
      26 newspapers in 22 cities; the Conde Nast magazine group, includes The New
      Yorker; Parade, the Sunday newspaper supplement; American City Business
      Journals, business newspapers published in more than 30 major cities in America;
      and interests in cable television programming and cable systems serving 1
      million homes.

      DONALD NEWHOUSE, chairman of the board of directors, Associated Press.

      PETER R KANN, CEO, Wall Street Journal, Barron’s

      RALPH J. & BRIAN ROBERTS, Owners, Comcast-ATT Cable TV.

      LAWRENCE KIRSHBAUM, CEO, AOL-

  2. The American says:

    The Republicans are trying to ward off Obama’s (and Reid and Pelosi) marxist policies. Obama caters to those who are riding atop the wagon, not the folks who actually PULL the wagon. Our wing-nut educational system has poisoned our “yute” in believing the only future they have is socialism. The leftist media is totally on-board as well. I fear our country is lost…

    • 13th Floor Looking Out says:

      According to the new Democratic Party, education is no longer required. The only criteria they need to meet is putting a signature on the welfare check.

      • omg says:

        what happens when that check bounces or NO one will accept it? As Maynord G Crebbs said WORK! (sorry if I spelled Dobbie G’s sidekicks name).

      • Vito4260 says:

        They want their sheep DUMB!

        • Marine68 says:

          Well they have succeeded beyond their wildest dreams in creating them, and even in making them like it.

        • Lyle Felix says:

          Communists call them, “Useful Idiots.”

          We are being respectful of them by calling them “Sheep.” Sheep were created by God to be helpless without a shepherd, to need help and protection. People on the other hand who won’t think and do for themselves are just plain old LAZY AND STUPID!!!!!

      • Vette66 says:

        That signature would be an “X” and no ID required. Can’t discriminate against people with free money, driving BMWs, full size Hummers, Lincolns or Cadillacs and they can get a free photo ID card.

    • JohnHD says:

      I have to say that you are absolutely correct. We are brainwashing our youth in the Public (Government) schools. And the psychotic thinking of the liberal Media certainly is enforcing that thinking upon a lot of uneducated adults, that believe anything that they hear without qualifying it.

      • oldcoyote says:

        Right On, the large majority of the teachers are nothing but liberal hacks.

        • omg says:

          And that is what they are teaching (forcing down on) our children! When NO One is working; who is going to pay for un-employment or SS checks? Sure isn’t doing to be obamy or the democrapic party…..

    • sportymom5n2 says:

      Our educational system is also corrupt, teaching revisionist history, praising Mao while trashing capitalism, creating a protected status for every fringe group, while punishing those who wish to exercise their freedom of speech and religion. Again, even our military is obsessed with political correctness, as opposed to virtue and character.

      • Nunya says:

        We hate pc bs. We are just forced to administer and cower to it. You think we like having females promoted ahead of males just because they are females? How about the last several Sgts Major of the Marine Corps were handed those positions because of their skin color. The last one could not even speak properly; like he was back on the block wit his hommies. It was a joke. We have to go along with it or they will kick you out faster than you can blink. If you are gay however, you can get away with murder and they will give you promotions and awards.

        • Vette66 says:

          I was in in the ’70s. Quotas were set up and that so many minority male, and females of all races had to be promoted. Some of the people promoted were the laughing stock of the barracks. Some you just had to work around, they couldn’t make a decision if their life or those working for them depended on it.

      • afanaglenn says:

        The sad thing is that we can blame adults for this, parents not taking an interest in their children’s schooling, and permitting this revisionist history to prosper. What in the sam hill does Madonna belong in a history book? We have been dumbed down to the extent that we would even permit a fraud like Obama to become president. The American poster, you are right, we are lost.

        • Vette66 says:

          That is why more home schooling is being done now. Even private schools are doing a pretty good business.

    • zmrcleanz says:

      “Right message” but “wrong messaging” has been the hallmark of the Republican party. It is frustrating to watch while better arguments are made for the cause from talkshow callers.

      • And note that the Jewish talk show hosts, whom the national radio stations put in after they bought out all the local AM radio stations when Rush proved that AM was not yet dead, are a huge part of the problem; mostly, because you fools think they speak for you..

    • Remington 870 says:

      Obama and his communist advisors have crafted slick blame sound bites against the GOP and GW Bush. This big eared clown never takes responsibility and always shifts the blame. And the entitlement and illegal supporters believe every word. After all, many of those idiots believe Obama is a god. One thing he is..an anti-christ. I drink and cuss, but believe in good and evil. And evil is currently residing in the White House.

    • Vern says:

      We should ask the stupid folks that do not love this country why don’t they move to a country
      that suits their desires. Most of us are happy with America as it is, (except for Obamacare and the Nat’l debt) and do not want all this Socialistic crap that Obama and the Dems are
      pushing. The old saying, “If you don’t love it leave it”, and take all the fruit cakes in the ACLU
      with you.

    • Shane says:

      The liberal media will blame the Republicans unless they totally capitulate to Comrade President Obambi. The Republicans must appear to be willing to compromise and demand that the Dems come up with real cuts to social programs now. No tax increases without spending cuts.

  3. relayman says:

    Republicans should present a balanced budget,
    cutting all new spending since 2008 to get there, with NO tax increase. Advertise loudly that the Republicans have
    solved the problem with no tax increases.
    Send it to the senate where Reid will kill it. The democrats seemed hell bent on “going over
    the cliff” anyway so they can blame it on Republicans. But of course, such a move would require
    balls and a spine, something lacking in the House leadership.

    • C. Moore says:

      The Republican House has already passed three Budgets and the Senate controlled by the Democrats has shelved them all and not allowed a vote on them plus 27 other Bills, So the majority of the voters elected more Democrats., This Country is finished. Glad I am retired and don’t have to worry about a job.

      • relayman says:

        I hear you, but I am not giving up.. The country’s economy was worse off with hyperinflation during The Articles of Confederation, before the Constitution. The solution was then and now is getting back to honest Constitutional money and ending the Marxist income tax. The Constitution has the answer. It will work.

        • sn says:

          But they voted obamy in for another 4. Do you think we will be able to recover from another four years of his wild spending and mochelle’s trips and clothes?

        • relayman says:

          Thanks! I
          think I stumbled upon something that might solve the debt problem. With their extravagant lifestyle, charged to
          the taxpayers, I propose that this be included as taxable income to
          zerobama. I am getting tired of hearing this
          mindless buffoon blather about how he doesn’t need the $$$. Well of course not you idiot. You live rent free, you dine without so much
          as leaving a tip, all your transportation is free. I propose, just like every other person out
          there, that everything not directly related to your job be added and charged on
          your stupid W-2 as taxable income, or like everyone else, pay for it out of
          your own pocket. Picture muchelle making
          you a sandwich?

        • The Constitution will not work as long as it is still broken by the 17th Amendment. The States were written out of the Senate, and the Judeo-Matrix-MSM has been selecting our Senators ever since.

        • relayman says:

          You are absolutely right about the states being written out of the Constitution. I should “amend” my comment to say, the Constitution as originally written and intended.”

          I would comment that it was discovered in the 1980’s that the 16th amendment (income tax) was not properly ratified by the states. See, “The Law that Never Was,” Bill Benson. Mr. Benson checked out the
          ratification resolutions of the states back in 1913 and found that all but a small handful of states did not properly ratify the proposed amendment. To make a very long story short, Benson found a memo in the Archives, that this defect was brought to the attention of the Secretary of State, Philander Knox, by his Solicitor General. Knox chose to ignore it and proclaimed the amendment ratified. The states and no
          one else never bothered to check it out because it was assumed that it had met the three-fourths states requirement. When brought to the attention of the Congress and the Supreme Court, the Congress said the SC had to remedy it, and the SC said that it was Congress that had to remedy it. Why was this important and why would they not deal with it? THE SEVENTEENTH AMEMDMENT WAS FOUND TO HAVE SIMILAR SAME DEFICIENCIES. It was also proclaimed ratified by the same corrupt official, Philander Knox. This being the case, if true, then there are no senators constitutionally holding office and every federal judge, since they are nominated by the senate, would have to leave office. Check it out!!!

    • bob says:

      Great idea, but the msm would not say a word about what took place, so most of the dumb citizens who get their info from them would not know a thing about it.

    • Big D says:

      Tried that, doesn’t work. Taking up with “….Reid will kill it.”: ….then the MSM will attack the house/GOP for not passing anything that Reid (Obama) likes, and call them obstructionist. …and the sheeple will say, “verily, the GOP is a bunch of greedy non-minorities that hate our glorious president.” …and Chris Matthews will smile.

      • relayman says:

        You are right! The object is to do something right anyway since the Republicans are going to be blamed no matter what. This is how the game is being set up. It will look worse if they did nothing or followed Boener agreeing with zerobama. I think that no matter what the House leadership and zerobama agrees to, the House should refuse the appropriations to fund certain programs. The House still controls the purse strings.

  4. forward says:

    This just goes to show ya how liberals think or actually never think. They will sink this ship. it’s coming. So CNN polled all liberals for this conclusion. Therefore, who gives a rats A$$ what they say???? Not me.

    • Retired Chief Petty Officer says:

      The liberals remind me of the passengers on the SS Poseidon in the movie, who were heading toward the bow even though they knew the ship was sinking by the bow. Just as lemmings crowd the front to fall over a cliff, so too, the liberals have scales on their eyes that prevent them from admitting what they see coming. They would rather be dead than admit they erred.

  5. Betsy says:

    When ignorance is bliss, tis folly to be wise.

  6. More Americans Blame Republicans for Fiscal Cliff Impasse? More American’s listen to Beyonce and Tom Hanks on who to vote for so is it really any suprise??

    • paco12348 says:

      At least that’s what we hear and what they want us to hear. I don’t blame Republicans for the impasse. I blame Republicans for not impeaching Obama when he started his power grabs.

      • Frosty33 says:

        Absolutely correct! The list of items and actions by Obama requiring impeachment is endless and our GOP leaders do nothing. We need some GOP leaders with gonads like Nancy has!

      • Jim L Adrian says:

        Amen!!!! However, The Demo’s controlled both houses plus the White House when Obama started his power grad-like day one.

      • oldcoyote says:

        The whole Congress is controlled by AIPAC so they will do nothing.

  7. BigrayMich says:

    If the Republicans don’t get this right and soon I’m afraid there is little hope for America. Having said that, I suspect there is little hope for America because of the sorry state of the critical thinking skills of most of the people you meet and that because of three generations of public education.

    • paco12348 says:

      You are correct on all counts. Now, I read Mass. is considering taking GOD out of the Pledge. We better start fighting back in real time or America is gone. Just think, if power was invested in the States we could surround our State Capitol’s but how many of us can march on Washington and stay there until they do the work sent there to do?

      • ritha says:

        When God is taken our, our country will fall. Plain and simple. The Democrats did that once, and before the convention had to put Him back in, so they could convince the people how wonderful they were.. Pay attention people, our once great nation is going down hill fast. Nothing will stop it but The Lord himself. We have too many ignorant, people living off the taxpayers to do any good for it now. As long as Obama gives freebies to them, they will do anything he wants done, and that is not good. Prayer is our only hope now…

        • ritha says:

          Let’s not forget when this nation goes, those welfare people will be on their own. It will hurt EVERYONE. There will be no welfare or freebies. We will all be lucky if we can eat, with the price of food at that time. If you think the East coast had it rough, wait for this country to fall into the wrong hands. Those hands won’t give a rats behind what party you belong to. Ask some of the people in the third world that saw this same thing happen, and many died of starvation, right next to a dictators palace.. WAKE UP NOW, BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE, IF IT ISN’T ALREADY.

        • paco12348 says:

          Prayer is not the only hope. Those that remain on their knees FALL. They pray for the road they should take and then get up off their knees and TAKE IT. We fight for what we want and if we want God in the US we better fight for him.

        • sn says:

          In GOD we trust. Remember that phrase is on OUR currency….!

        • oldcoyote says:

          I believe the jews are taking that off too.

        • ritha says:

          I probably know more history than you. I have lived through the WW II and since, and we used to have History in school, which I don’t think is taught now. We had World History and American History. You need to get your own soapbox to tell your side of you belief, and not hinge on mine. I have found out most of the time you can not change another persons mind, just have to pray that they one day will see the light. i will rely on prayer any day before relying on a socialist Muslim President to take care of me. I know God’s ways, and they are the right way. God Bless this Nation. It is in dire need of His blessings. PS. don’t tell me what the democrats did, I used to be a democrat, but when I saw Obama campaigning in 2007-2008, he turned me way off, and I have never voted that way since, or never will. I vote for the person, and believe me it will not be a democrat one.

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        • ace says:

          They can take that poll and stick it for the media are brain washed fool also they pole the illiterate only .

      • Remington 870 says:

        The Peoples Republic of Mass is an example of a mini-communist state. Somewhere near Plymouth, Mass is a rock where pilgrams landed to begin a new country where God, liberty, justice, honor and religious freedom would be promoted. The pilgrams are long gone from Mass to be replaced by card carrying lib commies.

      • r says:

        leave it to Massholes to do something like that. now I know why I left that state 40 years ago…..

    • ritha says:

      Don’t blame the republicans for the mess Obama made. If you have forgotten he is a socialist, and the Media is all his little puppets. There is no way things will get better until they start telling the truth about this man. The Republican House has sent may budget plans to the senate to have Reid not even read them..Now whose fault could that be????? Ignorance seems to be contagious in the Left party. You will not hear the truth from most of the media. I have found Fox shows both sides of the story…

      • Peter says:

        A lot of people listen to Fox, rush, glen,others. So why did Obama win. Most Americans dont watch LSM news…look at the numbers. They are small. Newspapers are declining so hard to say that Media is the problem. You need another excuse. Can’t just win on Marxist labels. I really think none of you really even know what that means. It appears very few have a good grasp of history. I love it when you call Obama a fascist and a Marxist. And of course a Muslim. Never seem to get yiur isms right. Fortunately, most Americans avoid such simplistic, thinking free labeling. That and most are pro gay and pro choice.

        • Dead Right says:

          Not.

          Most people have no clue what communism or marxism even stand for.

          Thanks to the last 50 years or so of liberal teaching in state controlled schools.

          And “most” people are against abortion. Gay marriage is still a toss-up. Look how many states are trying to pre-empt the “gay marriage” agenda.

          The most correct term for liberals is “wrong” as apposed to “right”.

    • Mavis says:

      Since you or your party provide no logical, sane analysis of public education y are as much of the problem with no solution. All I read is this commie leftists are teaching Marxism. That means math, science, art, English….and history. That really can’t be the answer. The problem is quite complex and based on a myriad of problems that have escalated over the last 50 years. There are only 18 states with unions so you cannot blame unions for widespread problem. Minorities…yea…any solutions…better be. But you just reference leftist teaching as the problem. If only they would get rid of references to NOW or Union, things would be ok. There are some amazing experiments and programs that are maki g progress in teaching all level of kids. I would bet no one here has read about this. Just go make sure your grand kids books don’t teach lefty things or pray critical thinking skills. Wake up. Gerrymandering has saved the House for yiu now, but that can and will change. Then it will be a one party country. As repeated since the stunning victory of Obama, your party needs more than aging white men and their faithful spouses. And the victorious party has a lot more supporters than yiur latest cute phrase, moochers. I personally like geezers for the right. Tit for tat.

      • Jim L Adrian says:

        Mavis, you are obviously a Union member, possibly one who gets paid by the union to do their bidding.

        The states which have closed union shops are also the states which are for the most part broke.

        The states which have no union strong holds are fiscally sound. What does that tell you?

        Being an entrenched union member I am sure you cannot see the problem. I suspect you voted for the Pharaoh Obama too. You have your phone yet, you lecherous leach.

    • sonny says:

      The reps HAVE got it right but the dems AND the stupid people that put them up there
      want a socialist gov’t and they’re about to get one. They just RE-elected the biggest socialist there is.

  8. huey6367 says:

    All the finger pointing in the world won’t fix this. If these politicians are really concerned with being re-elected, they need to lock themselves in a room and not come out until they have a viable fix to this problem. Not one that looks good on paper and does nothing. But one that works and has been proven to work.
    Do we have a revenue problem? No. We have a spending problem. These clowns in Washington spend OUR money like water so they can get re-elected. That time is coming to an end. If you keep spending money, we go over the cliff. We go over the cliff and I can pretty much guarantee few, if any, will be re-elected. Tar and feathered would be more like it.

  9. Dissenter says:

    While the authors are entitled to their own opinions, they are not entitled to their own facts.

    “The public, by and large, sees Republicans as obstructionist. That’s due to a combination of messaging failure on the part of the GOP — nothing new, in that they seem incapable of explaining the simple fact that low tax rates, particularly on job creators, spur economic growth and thereby raise tax revenues”

    Problem is, the Congressional Budget Office has lanced that putrid boil, along with every reputable economist on the planet. We’ve had twelve years of criminally low tax rates on the wealthy — who aren’t “job creators,” as only customers can create jobs! — and, as a result, the worst job growth figures during a recovery in history. Thirty years of empirical evidence has established that what we used to call “voodoo economics” is as efficacious as actual voodoo.

    • medic2003 says:

      How about we do this, we leave taxes low, and even make them lower for every one and the government stop spending money it doesnt have on things it shouldnt. That makes a hell of alot more sense to me than that drivel you just spouted.

      • Dissenter says:

        Let’s stop spending money on food stamps, so that starving families have to kill you on the way home from the grocery store. Great plan there, medic. If your throat they slit, I will vote to acquit! [channeling Johnnie Cochrane]

        Let’s stop spending money on our military, except for what we need to defend our own country. That would cut the military budget by about 70%, which we could use to repair our crumbling infrastructure.

        And why not tax capital gains at the same rate as ordinary income? Impose a graduated property tax on the wealthy? It won’t affect their spending patterns, and we could lower taxes on the working class to boost the consumer spending that drives the economy.

        And by all means, let’s get rid of the charitable contribution deduction for gifts made to churches. Why should we be forced to subsidize your religion?

        • medic2003 says:

          Hey how about we cut military spending by 50% an just defend ourselves..Ill go along with that. Starving families in my neck of the woods get help from their neighbors and anyone that would attack would get a suprise…people here have no problem defending themselves. We havent all succumbed to the nanny state like you have.

          Lets go an take a real look at how many deadbeats are on welfare..I work in EMS and with the public, You think I dont see abuse of the system EVERY day? I do so dont preach that crap at me.

          Capital gains should be all sorts of illegal. Its just a way for the government to go and take half of what you have AGAIN. Think about family farms that are passed to the kids when the parents die. Should those people pay capital gains for taking over the family business? By your logic they should.

          Why should i pay the government to hand out welfare AGAIN if I already gave to an organization that will actually help people who NEED help and not just hand it out to a bunch of leeches that have figured out how to game the system?

          Bottom line is the government has a spending problem, we dont have a tax problem. Nothing is free and everything from healthcare on down that the gov touches turns to crap and becomes a burden on the people. There are no exceptions to this.

        • Dissenter says:

          Income comes from two sources: labor and capital. And someone has to pay for the services government provides. We can either impose a capital gains tax or a property tax; Thomas Jefferson thought that the latter was desirable, as it is harder to evade (the capital gains tax is largely voluntary, truth be told). If you want to keep “your” property, you have to pony up and support the society that defends your right to it.

          I just wonder if you have thought through the ramifications of your Randian selfishness. What would happen if the common man suddenly decided, en masse, to “go Galt?” Do you honestly think you could keep the wealth you have?

          Why is it that Americans are so spectacularly incompetent that they can no longer run a government program? Health care is universal throughout the First World, and other governments provide it cheaper and better than we do. I seem to remember, back in the day, when we had a program known as NASA; they did some pretty remarkable things, and the return on our investment was, well, astronomical. Are you so incompetent that you would have no hope of competing with them for managerial skill?

  10. Frank629 says:

    all i can say is the reason for this is MSM,MSM,MSM,MSM, MSM.

  11. Critical Listener says:

    Bunch of pansies! The question most Americans want answered is this: what / where is all the money that I have already sent you!! Answer: international aid to countries that do not respect the US and entitlement programs/ governement studies of the sex life a fruit flies to mention just a few. If the govenment wants to get some additional revenue — let them ask those “lifetime members” (Kennedy’s / Kerry’s / Biden’s / Gingrich’s / Dole’s) to refund to the American taxpayer some of the millions that they have made over the years using inside trading etc….and only make +/-$200k per year salary — how is that possible? Also, the one overriding job requirement for our “elected officials” (sorry threw up a little in my mouth)…is for the protection of our borders / a balanced budget / and to stay out of my life so that I can persue happiness. Anything else is interference! The GOP message should be: If you do not work — you will not eat! Cut the welfare roles (use the model of the CCC) and put people to work on construction crews / filing clerks etc…..no work…no pay …. no welfare! I cannont continue to feed my family and yours too — only 24 hours in the day — Personal resposibility is what built this country not redistribution; although I would gladly share some of the workload that I am under to provide for YOUR non-working …………!

    • Louis says:

      if a Republican were to support CCC they would be branded commies…it’s a stimulus. It’s a Democratic party philosophy…..many, many would definitely support. And Kerry is married to a corporate heiress, Biden has published tax returns for 25 years, no big mi ey, Pelosi, family fortune, Gingrich silly books, lobbying and right wing movies. So get some other real figures to brand. Go advocate for a CCC…it spends government money for a very good cause. Gives skills of so emsort. Some of FDR programs were brilliant. It would work.

    • Goober says:

      You left out nancy pelosi as one of the insider trader’s. She’s made over 196 million in insider trading (that we know of) just sayin’

    • ace says:

      Well did you ever consider the Congress Republicans life and family’s life may be threatened you know the Mafia will do any thing to get their way !!!

  12. Steve says:

    When is the GOP gonna get their heads out of their rosy rear ends and take it to the media ? The facts against obama and increasing taxes are very strong,…If Boehner and Mitchell can’t/ won’t do it, then step aside. Good God, Almighty, what’s it gonna take !!!

  13. The republicans lack any TESTOSTERONE to stand firm
    and have any guts…..you watch…they will cave in…….Our last bastion of
    virtue, principle and responsible government is lost….Now they are asking me
    to still donate…..I will as soon as they come up with a better plan and
    strategies……..What is needed is an effective communication to the
    American people that will reach all groups. The GOP should separate these categories
    into groups that can effectively be managed to strategize communication to
    reach individual groups. Groups such as immigrants, unwed mothers, veterans,
    the average working Joe, etc., etc., etc. to communicate WHAT and HOW the republicans
    can make THEIR life better. So far the Dem-RATS have effectively reached all
    groups, but their message is pure propaganda, the GOP has effective solutions
    but no communication………FIGURE IT OUT!!!!

  14. What amazes me is how ignorant the American Public really are. None of the vet anything that the government says. They appear to move in lockstep, the media creates this unbelievable scenario and the youth created in our Socialistic Educational System believe it.
    We are a country in crisis, and it bothers all who know how to do research. God help the USA.

  15. PPTA says:

    The Democrats have a electronic program called the Dashboard. This program is made up of housands of names, of Democrat voters. Many are illegal aliens. The [lls you are seeing, where many blame Republicans for the impss, are taken with the Dahboard program. They are totally biased. CNN/ORC, takes the poll using he Dashboard, talking only to Democrats. Don’t believe them. heDemocrats came up with the idea of letting te Bush tax breaks run out and not re-newing them. They do not care that taxes wii go up on everyone. Especially the middle class and poor. hey don’t care that our military will be cut to below WW1 levels. Think unemployment when all those troops are discharged. When all the workers in defnse industries are laid off. Democrats simpply do not care.

    • Olsen says:

      Wow you have access to Dashboard database and can run this list against another list to identify who is legal. Methinks name alone just is not enough. But hey y are some smart dude. Too bad you weren’t worki g for Romney. Did you read the poll Nate Silver did for NYT. He accurately predicted election outcome, including legislature. Based on statistics,,,,,that geeky stuff. Dick Morris, on the other hand. Predicted a Romney landslide. He’s a very respective Rep politico. Karl also polled a Romney victory. So CNN used Dashboard….funny. Obama Out-geeked Romney. It was a huge advantage. So I suspect you believe that the huge Dem Hispanic win was just a bunch of illegals. Perhaps it would be useful to look at the census. It breaks down demogrphics by ethnic origin. Unless of course you think that’s a lie also. You guys need facts a d geeks. And Hispanics, other minorities and single women. Can’t win without.